This is a line from The Dark Knight , in which Selina Kyle (Catwoman) offers a stark warning to her dancing partner Bruce Wayne (Batman). Around 2016, I started incorporating it into a course I was teaching on the post-Cold War liberal international order. In pointing to some of the underlying tensions and imbalances in the structure of our world, I was trying to encourage my students to think about what a breaking point might look like.

Trying to think of one word that might capture this uneven year, I am yet to fully settle on the right one, but ‘disruption’ feels more appropriate than most alternatives. As with so many things, disruption can have fractal properties. Pandemic waves continue to ebb and flow, albeit increasingly pushed to the side or back of our minds;

After an unscheduled pause, the ‘Imperfect World’ series resumes with the final edition of what hopefully will be the first season. One of the aims of this project has been to share the process of thinking through, and thinking with, others. Reflecting this, for this episode I had a follow up conversation with PC, who I spoke with at the start of process.

In this episode I speak with Andrew Pickering, a leading historian of science, known for his sociological studies of scientific practices and knowledge production in books such as Constructing Quarks: A Sociological History of Particle Physics and The Mangle of Practice: Time, Agency and Science . In the context of this project, I became interested in Pickering’s work as a result of his more recent book, The Cybernetic

In this episode, I speak with Elke Schwarz, a scholar based at Queen Mary University of London, working on the political and ethical implications of digital technologies and autonomous systems. Recently, she has been returning to the insights of Günther Anders, another 20th century thinker who foreshadowed the dangers that come with untethered technological development.

In this episode, I speak with Sun-ha Hong, a scholar based at Simon Fraser University, author of the 2020 book, Technologies of Speculation: The limits of knowledge in a data-driven society . His work challenges claims that we should simply listen to what ‘the data’ tells us, questioning whether it really has the capacity to reveal hidden truths about how humans interact.

In this episode I speak with Gabriele de Seta, a scholar working on machine vision, digital media and related technologies in China. His piece about the Chinese term ‘black technology’ ( heikeji 黑科技) captured my attention, which led me to write this note.

In this episode, I speak with L.M. Sacasas, who has become a leading voice in examining the ethical, social and cultural consequences of technologies. His prior blog, The Frailest Thing , and current Substack newsletter, The Convivial Society , offer a wealth of insight, encouraging a greater awareness of the ways that technologies shape the conditions within which we live and act.

In this episode of ‘Imperfect World’, I speak with Claire Benn, a philosopher who explores how our growing reliance on digital technologies are impacting our moral landscape, and the ethical challenges that come from a world shaped by machines.

In this episode of ‘Imperfect World’, I speak with PC, a scholar and writer based in Melbourne, who has recently started a substack called, Living together, somehow.

This conversation was already posted on the ‘Imperfect world’ podcast feed, I am cross-posting it here in case this platform is better suited for some audience. For future episodes, I will post them across both platforms simultaneously.